devastate medicaid, transfer rising health care costs on to seniors in medicare, cut investments in education that are important for our kids, all, by the way, all while protecting the tax breaks and loopholes for folks at the high end of the income scale. >> you know, my question for ryan would be, and of course to you, the republicans aren't going to go along with these kinds of cuts in defense. i mean, i think the democrats would certainly pare back on defense spending. but the republicans -- so isn't this somewhat of a phantom budget that he is trying to throw out right now? >> well, that's exactly right. look, republicans have said for the last couple of months that the across-the-board cuts to defense spending are reckless. and democrats have said the way they do it and the arbitrary way doesn't make sense. and the cut cans across the board to nondefense spending like nih and air traffic control and all of that, that doesn't make sense. now all of the sudden within the republican caucus, the tea party wing has gotten them to reverse their position. now the cuts they said were reckless,